Oh I also wanted to note an image that's burned into my memory...short joel and greg walking to my left and neil and ben and nersi walking to my right. They didn't even look at each other or notice each other...they totally looked over their heads.Neil and Nersi parted a little bit while walking without hesitation or breaking their stride and little Joel and Greg went through them. They were all standing so straight and proud. That's the thing with men. They're always so proud. Anyway, I don't know why, I just can't forget it.